Can We Lose Our Salvation?

Can We Lose Our Salvation?

My father, a staunch Methodist, is purely convinced in the belief that Christians can lose their salvation.  His friend is an Independent Baptist who believes that our salvation is immutable.  Which one is right?

Well, the witness of scripture has this to say:

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.   I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.   My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. ” (John 10:28-29)

“For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,  nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 8:39-39)

” And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.” (Philippians 1:6)

Through these verses, I think the groundwork is laid in scripture that once we have been saved unto eternal life, we are then given that eternal life forever.  One of the texts that are offered as proof that it is in fact possible to believe and then fall away is Hebrews 6:4:

“For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,  and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. ” (Hebrews 6:4-6)

The problems with using this verse to prove that salvation can be lost are numerous.  First, consider the audience:  Hebrew Christians who may have experienced somewhat the power of God through the ministry of the early apostles.  They may have experienced some of the goodness of God, may even have taken part in some ministry of the early church, but then fell back into Jewish laws and regulations as a saving grace.  Therefore, they never really accepted the free gift of salvation, but merely had the appearance of those who did.  For those who would then fall away after only experiencing a taste and failing to fully give themselves to Christ, the return to life under the law was, in fact, a mockery of the atoning death of Christ, and are then holding Him in contempt and basically requiring Him to crucify Himself anew since they have decided to return to the old laws.  Therefore, this is not proof that Christians can fall away, but that there are those who profess belief in Christ, trust in Christ, then fall away.  They therefore never trusted Christ for their salvation to begin with.

I don’t believe that Christians can lose their salvation.  I believe that Christians who fall away from the faith and do not return were never really Christians in the first place.  Otherwise, Jesus would have been proven a liar when He said that no one could snatch His own from His hand.


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  1. If Paul feared becoming reprobate and the angels who left their first estate are in chains of darkness today (Not all of them though read Jude, 2Peter2, and Hebrews chapters 6-12.) then we ought to take more earnest heed to the word. If the Hebrew children who passed (Under Moses baptism-1Cr10:1-12) to the desert but with many God was not well pleased, and did not enter into the promised land.Remember Lot’s wife.In order to be saved once must repent and by faith thru grace obey Christ’s command (And example Matt3:12-17) in baptism (Luke24:47,Mark16:16, Peter’s Acts2:38/4:12,&10:36-48 and finally Paul’s Acts16:15/33,22:16. Jesus was immediately tempted after it. The parable of the sower shows that the riches and deceits of this present world, can kill the word in some.No man looking back while plowing is worth their salt said Jesus.Yes, we are sealed after becoming believers by faith (Faith without works is dead, James2:19-26/Hebrews 11 all) and nothing can seperate us from God except us-Rom8:25-37.Seals and agreements have been broken many times by men-twice dead!God is faithful and will save those who remain faithful to him also.God alone decides who is twice dead but always provides means of escape from sin and slavery!He sent Jesus to redeem or buy us back from sin via the cross and placing our true faith in him.Grace is defined as unmerited favor reflected in one’s life.Nobody in grace will continue to willfully sin-Rom6:1-6.Again, though we must fight the battle in faith,there is no reason why a person can not enter into the promised land if the are ready and willing.Falling away has happened before and will again but God is not at fault for men’s unbelief and hard hearts!God bless us all.

  2. What’s Wrong With the “Once Saved, Always Saved” Doctrine?
    If you are reading this, you probably believe that you can’t fall from grace, you can’t sin, and you can’t lose your place in Heaven in any way after you are “saved.” You believe that if you sin, you cannot suffer the consequences of it because Christ has paid the debt for your sins past, present, and future. You believe that unless you publicly and totally renounce God, you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven.

    That’s not what the Bible says, however. God’s Word tells us we can give up our eternal home. Let’s take a closer look.

    Proof Against It
    You’ve probably come across Romans 3:23 before, whether by means of someone else trying to persuade you of this matter or by your preacher of whoever misinterpreting this passage and telling you it’s okay. Let’s look at this verse:

    “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”
    All have sinned. It says that, and you most likely don’t doubt that. We’ve all sinned. But what does it say? We’ve sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Note the use of present tense there—not only have we done it before, but we continue to do that. On a daily basis, we sin and fall short of the glory of God. That means we fall from grace, we lose our mansion in Heaven. If you fall short of the glory of God, how are you going to get into Heaven? Yeah, but you say, “What about the following verse?” Well, here it is:
    “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,”
    Yes, it says we are justified freely by grace. But that doesn’t excuse the fact that we fall from the grace of God. You like to look at the “justified” part and say, “Oh, well, I’m okay as I am,” but that’s not what the Bible says. It says we fall from grace, but we have a hope of obtaining this grace again, through Jesus our Savior. Please read further.

    Of all the false doctrines of the world, I think this “once saved, always saved” is the one thing that has the most biblical proof against it. Look at most of the Bible—the vast majority of the Bible is written to people that believe or believed, but they had fallen into sin and needed instruction to get out of it to regain God’s grace so that they can enter Heaven. Here is a list of the New Testament books written to Christians who had fallen or who were in immediate danger of falling:

    1 and 2 Corinthians
    2 Peter
    There are probably many more than this, and even inside other books are passages written to Christians about being lost. And besides all of this, why do you think God would even include lists of sins (such as in Galations 5:16-19 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) if they weren’t important, weren’t deadly. You see, God included these lists for a reason, and it wasn’t just to suggest that we remain holy as some believe, but rather a command to remain holy. As Christians, it is our duty to stay away from sin, if we don’t, we will get our wages—death (Rom. 6:23).

    But let’s look at this book by book, verse by verse. We’ll start with Acts. Look up Acts 5:1-11 for example. This is the record of Ananias and Sapphira. They lied, right? That’s a sin, right? God took their souls, right? Why did He do that? You might say it is because since they were Christians, God was taking them out of His ministry, because they could no longer benefit Him. So He took them to Heaven. Actually, you’ll find that He didn’t. Revelation 21:8 says that “all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Ananias and Sapphira went to Hell. God got angry with them and passed judgement on them immediately, sending them to Hell. “But they were Christians—He wouldn’t do that because Christ paid the debt of their sins,” you say. Yes, but only the repented sins. If you’ll notice, Ananias and Sapphira didn’t have time to repent of their sins, so they died liars, and they went to Hell.

    Now to Simon in Acts 8:13-23. Simon was a Christian, but when he tried to buy the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit from the apostles, Peter said to him,

    “‘Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.'” (vs. 22-23)
    Simon was going to go to Hell if he didn’t repent, because he was in sin. But he was a Christian—can he still go to Hell for this sin? Yes, or his need to repent would not be urgent, like this is.

    Look at Galations, Paul’s letter to those of Galatia. The Galatians had been taught by Paul, but some other people came behind Paul and told the Galatians false doctrines, and they believed them. Galations 1:6 says,

    “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.”
    These were Christians, but they went to another doctrine that was similar to Christ’s, but was still sinful. Had they given up on God, and renounced Him? No, they thought they were worshiping God, but in reality, they weren’t—they were practicing another doctrine. Their souls were in danger, so Paul felt compelled to write this letter to the Galatians so that they might turn back to God.

    Again, in Galatians, “once saved, always saved” is disproved. Galatians 5:4 says this:

    “You have become fallen (estranged) from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
    Paul plainly says to these sinners, “You have fallen from grace.” That means if they can, we can, too. But you may say that they fell from grace because they wanted to convert back to Judaism. Indeed, they were reincoporating the elements of Judaism into their worship, and they were thus disobeying the law of God. They were being lawless, but John tells us that sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). This means that any one of the sins in those lists mentioned above are just as lawless and sinful as completely changing your religion, i.e., converting to Judaism. This says that our sins are equally deadly and equally damning. When we sin, we fall from grace.

    Paul, one of the greatest biblical writers, one of the best preachers of all time, could have gone to Hell. In fact, according to 1 Corinthians 9:27, we find that he disciplined his body and brought it into subjection, lest, when he has preached to others, he himself should be disqualified. He is using a race as a metaphor for the road to Heaven, and if you get disqualified, you are no longer in the race. And when you’re not running the race for Heaven, you’re on the downward path to Hell.

    First Corinthians 10:12 says,

    “Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”
    Hmm. “Fall.” Interesting word choice. It seems that we as Christians can fall.

    Look here at 1 Corinthians 15:1-2:

    “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.”
    We are saved if we follow the word (the Bible). Following the Bible means not sinning. Granted, everyone sins, so our following of the Bible is by no means going to be a perfect venture, because we will stumble sometimes. But if we remain following the Bible, we can be saved. We are not holding fast the word if we cuss, fornicate, murder, lie, steal, or commit one of many other actions. These are sin, and we cannot enter Heaven with sin. Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin are death. If we sin, and if we don’t repent of that sin, we go to Hell. That is our death. We don’t suffer physical punishments for our sins, because bad things happen to good and bad people, and good things happen to good and bad people (Matthew 5:45). Our punishment for sin is spiritual: an eternity in Hell.

    Colossians 1:23 says, “if indeed you continue in the faith. . . .” See, it’s conditional. We will go to Heaven if we continue in this faith, the gospel of Christ.

    Hebrews 3:6 says, “. . . if we hold fast. . . .”—there again, another conditional statement. Hebrews 3:13-14 says that we are “partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Hebrews 6:4-6 reads,

    “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
    These are harsh words. It says if a Christian (“those who were once enlightened”) falls from grace (“if they fall away”) crucifies Jesus on the cross again. That’s how much our sin hurts God. This passage is probably talking about someone who is beyond saving because they freely renounce God and disown the Maker, because it says it is impossible to renew them to repentance, but nevertheless, how much less would our sin hurt God if we sin—and still believe? It says we can fall, and we can, because it says so. This disproves the denominationalistic view that we can’t fall from grace. It specifically says “if they fall away.”

    Here comes the real ammo. Hebrews 10:26-27:

    “If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
    but a certain fearful expectation of judgement, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”
    If we sin willfully when we’re a Christian, Christ’s blood no longer covers us, and we are in sin, and we are God’s adversary, and we are going to Hell. That’s what this says. How anyone can come to another conclusion about this passage is beyond me. It specifically says those who sin willfully go to Hell.

    See other scriptures:

    Hebrews 10:38
    James 5:19-20
    2 Peter 1:10 (conditional)
    2 Peter 2:20-22
    2 Peter 3:17
    Revelation 2:5

    The Cure for Sin
    The Bible proves without a doubt that “once saved, always saved” is a lie. It says we can sin, that we can fall from grace. But what happens when we do so? What happens when we lose our spot in Heaven?

    When we sin, we must repent. See Revelation 2:5 and 2:16. These were written to Christians who had fallen from grace, who needed to repent.

    I die daily and he must increase and I decrease is written for our edification. Read Jude and 2Peter2.They both agree that a Christian can fall away! In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. Nothing can seperate us from God except ourselves Romans8:28-37.

  3. A few things to consider:
    1. Romans 3:23 mentions nothing of falling from God’s grace, but falling short of the glory of God. Therefore, Paul’s admonition is not that we lose our salvation each time, as you seem to posit. Instead, if you link it with the rest of the scripture, Paul is saying that we have all fallen short of God’s standards, and we are justified (made righteous, or meeting the standards of holiness) through the free gift of salvation. I would never look at Romans 3:24 and walk away feeling I am okay as is. That is ridiculous. If anything, knowing justification and sanctification are free gifts of God make me feel ever more aware of my fallenness.
    2. Romans was written basically as Paul’s treatise on doctrine for believers in Rome who may not have received apostolic instruction. There is no indication whatsoever that it was written to a backslidden church. You are reading things into the text that simply aren’t there. Likewise, you are being far too simplistic in your understanding of the other epistles listed as well. Both Galatians and Hebrews were written in order to address pharisaical nomianism that was threatening to destroy the message of the Gospel. Corinthians was written as a response to a letter Paul had received from one of the members of the congregation who had a lot of questions about some of the things occurring in the church. None of these letters, however, was a pre-modern era version of “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.”
    3. The lists of sinful behaviors in Galatians and Corinthians have no bearing on “once saved, always saved.” John’s epistle announced that all men sin, and however says that they don’t are lying. This offers nothing other than this: Paul is giving a list of two contrary items: Characteristics of those who walk in the flesh, and those who walk in the spirit. In no earthly way does this have any bearing on the eternal perseverance of the saints.
    4. You make two mistakes in your view of Ananias and Sapphira. First, you can’t with any honesty say whether or not they went to hell. They died. Perhaps that was God’s chastisement to them to demonstrate the seriousness of their sin to the whole community of believers. Regardless, you don’t know where they went, and you would be dishonest to claim that you do. Second, I don’t think “God was taking them out of His ministry.” God took their lives as punishment for lying. I know Revelation 21:8 says that “all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire,” however, we are credited with righteousness by belief in Christ. That’s out of Romans 4, by the way.
    5. Simon was indeed baptized, but do you honestly believe that everyone who “believes and was baptized” is truly saved? Simon’s very motive for accepting Christ was revealed by his trying to purchase the powers of the apostles. The “once saved, always saved” debate boils down to that point, that not all who profess Christ the Lord are actually Christians. Read James 2:18-19. Even the demons affirm the oneness of the Triune God and the implications. Bottom line is this: There is more to accepting Christ than saying “I believe, let me be baptized.”
    6. Galatians is a treatise on not accepting Judaizers. The “different gospel” was essentially Christ+Jewish law. The grasping of the Law rather than the receiving of the Gospel of Christ does not show that they can lose salvation, but only, they never had salvation!
    7. Your breakdown of Hebrews 6 doesn’t hold water either. “Those who have been enlightened” does not mean someone who has developed a saving faith in Jesus, but rather, someone who has been exposed to the truth of the Gospel. What the writer is saying is this: It’s impossible for someone to be exposed to the truth of the Gospel, the power of the Holy Spirit, and then deny it and fall away, to then come back. And this is entirely true, because they have never received the true gift of the Holy Spirit and only had an appearance of saving faith. In reality, they never truly accepted the gift of salvation in the first place.
    8. Again, Hebrews 10:26-27 has nothing to do with someone who has truly accepted the gospel of Christ. To have knowledge means nothing. The knowledge must be accompanied by a saving faith. Do you not see the difference? Judas Iscariot had knowledge, but not saving faith. The demons themselves have knowledge, but not saving faith. Otherwise, why would they have addressed Messiah as “Son of the Most High?”
    9. If we sin willfully as a Christian, we have broken relationship with God. We have not, however, lost our salvation. As a true believer, we will never fall into a lifestyle of consistent denial of the gospel, but rather, will eventually be chastised back into relationship with God.
    a. “Those whom I love, I rebuke.”
    b. “I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
    There is a much simpler way, however, to get to the bottom of this whole thing. It rests on two verses:
    1. “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28)”
    2. “For I am confident in this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ. (Philippians 1:6)”
    If one is to believe that a Christian can lose their very salvation, then they also believe the Lord Himself to be a liar. All of scripture must be interpreted in light of scripture, otherwise, it cannot be considered valid.

  4. Again you cast doubt on the bible, as Jesus himself said that all must be baptized by faith, through his grace to be saved, As per Luke24:47,Mark16:16. Every Christian In the bible was baptized in Jesus name for the forgiveness of sins or the washing away of them states both Peter in Acts2:38,4:12,8:12-16,10:36-48 and Paul in Acts16:15/33,18:8,19:1-6,22:16 (Paul himself was baptized in Jesus name to wash away his sins in that passage).If both the Apostle to the Jews being Peter, and the Gentiles being Paul said and did so,then it must be so. Furthermore the letter(s) of Jude, Hebrews, and 2Peter alone prove your words wrong and unbiblical. Let alone Jesus’ parable of the sower or the short saying of “Remember Lot’s wife”. We are only saved if we endure unto the end. All this leads me to believe you have not applied Christ in your life by Galatians3:27, 1Peter3:21, or Romans6:4. Of all the Hebrews who left Egypt and entered into the promised land there are only two noted. If angels can depart from the presence of God and be called devils thereafter, then your philosophy on God’s word is wrong. But you are free to believe whatever way you choose as you alone must stand before God and give account of yourself as per Revelations22. Have a great day in the Lord Jesus.

  5. Thanks for wishing me a great day in the Lord Jesus after basically calling me apostate. You need to prove how what I said was unbiblical. Otherwise, you have said nothing. You, on the other hand, have twisted several scriptural references in such a way that it can only be called “scriptorture.” I pointed out to you that by saying that Jesus is unable to enable the believers to persevere, then He is a liar based on John 10:28. You can interpret all of scripture however you feel, but when your interpretation reduces Christ to a liar, then you are reading it from the wrong approach.

  6. Jesus already called a follower of tradition if you have not been baptized into Jesus name or have accepted the doctrine of the trinity.In the bible every one has been baptized into Jesus name for salvation-nobody ever,ever, did a trinity baptism.As far as trinity; it was first coined by Tertullian in 197AD.And adopted by the majority Catholic Nicene council in 325AD.As far as Christians walking away or backslide read the bible.What about Judas?Lot’s wife?And Demas?The Hebrew children?Aaron’s two sons?Ect,Ect. Despite your desire to please man’s tradition’s as opposed to Peter’s words in Acts5:29 and Paul’s Gospel as per Gal1:6-12.I will attempt to show the truth.Though,It’s your responsibility to save yourself! See Acts2:37-41.Here is your study in the true word of God and never a tradition advanced!Even Justin Martyr was leery of the switch, as he clearly shows in his writings, as the first recorded ‘trinitarian’ baptism mode on historical record, in the year 140 AD, still carried the ‘NAME OF JESUS’, as a carryover from the original Acts 2:38 mode. History is replete with the statements that the vast majority of the proverbial Christians in the first 3 centuries AD were Acts 2:38-Jesus Name adherents. Their numbers were so large that the proverbial ‘popes’ of the day admitted that baptism in Jesus name was valid (Stephen of the 300’s and Zachery of the 700’s.Justin Martyr introduced a concept unheard of among earlier Christians, namely that Jesus Christ was “in the second place” to the Father. Second place?? What did he mean by that? NOBODY had EVER suggested that Jesus was in second place to the Father. What could this statement suggest?

    An understudy of Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, added to the confusion, stating that “the Son of God became the Son of Man.” This was a completely new concept, that INSTEAD of Jesus being the INCARNATION of the Father, He was only the INCARNATION of an eternal Son. This was never before taught in the first 150 years of the early church. None of the Apostles ever made a statement of that kind. Thomas called Him, “My Lord, and my God!” For a Jew, that meant that Thomas believed He was the Father in the flesh.
    The suggestion was that Jesus was an eternal son – an impossible concept. Think about it. How can anyone be an eternal son? Sonship, by definition, requires a beginning. Jesus became a son when He was born of Mary. Before the son was born of a virgin, only the Father existed. There had been no son in heaven. Moses never mentioned it. Moses taught the children of Israel, “The LORD our God is ONE!” None of the Old Testament prophets taught that God was two or three persons – only ONE.

    To be sure, God in Christ has two natures. God is Spirit. Son is human. God is greater. Son is lesser. But NOT two distinct persons, and certainly not two identical deities; not co-equal; not co-eternal. ONE.
    Sonship is human. God never replicated His spirit. There had been no spirit son, only the singular, eternal spirit of God forever. God did not replicate His eternal nature into another co-equal person.
    Rather, He incarnated His deity in a MAN. The FULLNESS of GOD was in CHRIST. Not
    one-third or one-half. The man is the Son. And the man, the Son, was not from eternity past, except in the MIND of God.

    Paul preached that Jesus was the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). Jesus declared that when we see Him, we see the Father (not a likeness, but the actual Father!) (John 14:9).
    God Himself had declared, “My glory will I not give to another,” (Isaiah 42:8). That simply means that there never was and never will be anything co-equal or co-eternal with the Father. Jesus, in His day, said, “My Father is greater than I,” (John 14:28). So, there you have it. Jesus is NOT co-equal, or co-eternal with the Father. He is the man in whom God dwelt. He is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. His spirit is the Father; His body is the Son.
    When you read in the Bible of a conversation between Jesus and His Father, you are not reading a conversation between two equal members of a godhead. You are reading a conversation between a MAN and GOD. GOD is only ONE PERSON, but He has TWO NATURES. Deity and humanity. The deity can speak to the human, and the human can speak to the deity, but both natures comprise ONE GOD, not two co-equal deities. Messiah!
    Iranaeus’ statement introducing the concept of an eternal son plainly contradicted the Apostles’ premise that the Son was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the “fullness of time” and “made of woman” (Galatians 4:4). The idea of an eternal son had never been preached in the early church. Jesus was the FULLNESS of God bodily. Not one-third of a trinity!
    From that error proceeded another erroneous teaching; that since Jesus proceeded from the Father, the Holy Ghost also subsequently proceeded from the Son, and was therefore in THIRD PLACE in the Godhead. Now we have a third deity equal to the first (Father) and second (eternal Son). Hence, this triune deity supposedly consisted of three co-equal, co-eternal men. No. God’s A Spirit. Singular. One LORD. One person.
    Within a few short years, these errors were codified into the doctrine of the Trinity, that God exists in three persons; God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.
    Tertullian (who was one of the first to use the word “trinity” in reference to God) and Hippolytus of Rome succeeded in changing the mode of water baptism from being performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” to use of the titles “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,” thereby abandoning the “only NAME given among men whereby we must be saved” in baptism.
    Water baptism by total immersion in water in the name of Jesus Christ was a primordial, core doctrine of the twelve apostles. Read the New Testament for yourself. You will see it clearly. Every baptism recorded in the New Testament was performed in the name of the Lord Jesus. But in the newly redefined Roman Catholic Church, the name of Jesus was extirpated, excised from water baptism.
    The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263, says, “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”
    Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, 1963, page 1015, says, “The Trinity… is not demonstrable by logic or by Scriptural proofs,…The term Trias was first used by Theophilus of Antioch (c AD 180), …(The term Trinity) is not found in Scripture.”
    The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275, says, “It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the ipsissima verba [exact words] of Jesus, but…a later liturgical addition.”
    Wilhelm Bousset, in “Kyrios Christianity,” page 295, says, “The testimony for the wide distribution of the simple baptismal formula [in the Name of Jesus] down into the second century is so overwhelming that even in Matthew 28:19, the Trinitarian formula was later inserted.” So today we have a choice between tradition that makes the word of God non effective or to no effect. By having a form of godliness without power (Jesus name alone has all power-Matt28:18, to be used in all words and deeds-Col3:17, and neither is there salvation in any other name or title-Acts4:12). via the trinity or triad formula. Or to obey Jesus’ words in Luke24:47, Peter’s words as he had the keys to the kingdom-Acts2:38/Matt16:18 and finally Paul said he did it in Jesus name to wash away his sins and taught and did so-Acts22:16,Acts16:15/33,Acts18:8,Acts19:1-6,Gal3:27,Gal1:6-12,Eph4:5,Eph3:15,Col2:12,Rom6:1-6,Col3:17,Eph2:8-10,Ect. Jesus called the Pharisees whitted tombs or outwardly beatifully but inwardly full of dead men’s bones.That is how you are seen even after the trinity baptism by God as it remits no sin, has no power in it as God looks to the inside while men outwardly! We are either baptized into Moses or unto then later after he died and rose into Jesus Christ as per 1Cr10:1-12.Nobody inside of the bible took the trinity titles on in baptism only outside of the word we see people doing this.Believe Jesus and his word or believe men’s philosophy about him. Peter said choose God in Acts5:29. John said the same in Rev22 and Paul agreed in Gal1:6-12.; in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. And so it is.

  7. Despite my tiredness and grammatical errors, the word of God is true and let every man be a liar.Here is a history sample, of which completes the study on baptism in Jesus name only.Have a great day.Evidence in history for Jesus name only
    The following is a true record of a Baptism which took place in Rome A.D. 100 and was reproduced in TIME magazine, December 5, 1955.

    ‘The deacon raised his hand, and Publius Decius stepped through the baptistry door. Standing waist-deep in the pool was Marcus Vasca the woodseller. He was smiling as Publius waded into the pool beside him. ‘Credis?’ he asked. ‘Credo,’ responded Publius. ‘I believe that my salvation comes from Jesus the Christ, Who was crucified under Pontius Pilate. With Him I died that with Him I may have Eternal Life.’ Then he felt strong arms supporting him as he let himself fall backward into the pool, and heard Marcus’ voice in his ear —- ‘I baptize you in the Name of the Lord Jesus’ —- as the cold water closed over him.'”

  8. Well, one thing to consider is this: What happened to the thief hanging beside Messiah at His death? Did Jesus lie to him when he told him he would be with Jesus in paradise? Again, scripture can’t be interpreted in such a way that it makes a liar of the Lord of the Universe. This thief was saved by his faith in Christ, not his obedience to the command of baptism.

    Also, I would like to see your proof that Matthew 28:19 is a fabrication. In addition, you should consider the following excerpted from an article by Dr. Ron Rhodes for the Christian Research Journal:

    The doctrine of the Trinity, an implicit truth, is built on explicit truths found in the Old and New Testaments:

    1. There is only one God. This is the consistent emphasis of Scripture (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 44:6; John 5:44; 1 Cor. 8:4; 1 Tim. 2:5; James 2:19).

    2. The Father is God. The Father is explicitly called “God” throughout Scripture (John 6:27; Rom. 1:7; Gal. 1:1; 1 Pet. 1:2).

    3. Jesus is God. Jesus is explicitly called “God” (Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8), and He (Jesus) claimed to be “the first and the last” (Rev. 1:17), the precise name God used of Himself in Isaiah 44:6. The divine names “Yahweh” and “Elohim” are used in reference to the Messiah who is Jesus (Isa. 9:6; 40:3; cf. John 8:58 and Exod. 3:14). He performs works that only God can do, such as creating the universe (Col. 1:16; cf. Isa. 44:24).

    4. The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is the “Spirit of God” (Gen. 1:2; Exod. 31:3; Ezek. 11:24; Rom. 8:9, 14; 1 John 4:2) and possesses the attributes of deity, including omnipresence (Ps. 139:7‑9), omniscience (1 Cor. 2:10–11), and eternity (Heb. 9:14). He does things that only God can do, such as participating in the creation of the universe (Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps. 104:30), begetting Christ in Mary’s womb (Luke 1:35), resurrecting Christ (Rom. 8:11), and inspiring Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:21).

    From these explicit truths we can infer the implicit truth that within the unity of the one God are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But how are we to understand this? Are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit modes of manifestation of the one God, or are they distinct persons within the Godhead? These questions point to the importance of the next principle:

    Implicit truth must not contradict any explicit truths—or other legitimate implicit truths—found in the Bible. We encounter two further truths in Scripture that set definite limits on our understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity:

    5. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are persons. The Bible does not explicitly identify them as persons, but it is reasonable to infer that they are persons based on explicit affirmations in Scripture. The Father engages in personal relations (John 3:35), and has the attributes of personality: intellect (Matt. 6:8), emotions (Gen. 6:6; Ps. 86:15), and will (Matt. 12:50). The Son engages in personal relations (John 11:41–42), and has the attributes of personality: intellect (John 2:24–25), emotions (Matt. 9:36; John 11:35), and will (Luke 22:42). The Holy Spirit engages in personal relations (Acts 8:29), and has the attributes of personality: intellect (Rom. 8:27; 1 Cor. 2:10–11), emotions (Isa. 63:10; Eph. 4:30), and will (1 Cor. 12:11). The personality of each of the three is therefore implied in Scripture.

    6. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct from each other. The Father and the Son know each other (Matt. 11:27), love each other (John 3:35), and speak to each other (John 11:41–42). The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus at His baptism (Luke 3:22), is called another comforter (John 14:16), was sent by the Father and Jesus (John 15:26), and seeks to glorify Jesus (John 16:13–14).

    What you speak of is sheer rank heresy, to say that the Son is not an eternal being but was a created being. Arius made the same mistake, and thankfully, faithful Athanasius stood by the true doctrine of the church. I don’t know where you are getting your doctrine from, but it is heretical in nature. I hope you read the excerpt from Dr. Rhodes and come to a better understanding of Trinitarian Theology.

  9. So you reject the bible!The trinity brought in from Pagan’s is as old as where it came from:Babylon.You serve the Babylon religion as either in the mother harlot or one of her children.You will be with those who say…Lord,Lord did we not do many wonderful works in your name(Healings,prayer and wonders) yet he will say to you “Depart from me, ye that work iniquity-I NEVER KNEW YOU”! Why?Because you never used his name alone(Col3:17 do all in it!It alone saves Acts4:12!And has all power Mat28:18!).Faith without works is dead alone says James in 2:19 and Hebrews11 all of it!Your saved by true faith and true grace and created unto good works,says Eph2:8-10!No man can work himself into heaven rather it is our obedience which saves us-John3:5/2Kings5:1-17 and1Pet3:21 “Whereby baptism saves us by our obeying it with a good conscience!Hypocrite! Until your baptized into Jesus’ name alone your lost and going to hell said JESUS in Mark16:16,Luke24:47, and PETER in Acts2:38,8:12-17, and Paul (Who was baptized that way as well in Acts22:16) in Acts16:15/33,18:8, and 19:1-6.You preach another gospel other than Paul’s and it is cursed said he in Gal1:6-12.You are in the gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity!Much like Simon Magus!Get right or get out of the way for true believers; as your rotten seed is bad fruit.Stop preaching your tradition of man and obey God or he will set you on fire!You better repent and get baptized in Jesus name or your damnation will be greater than it already is,my false Christian friend.My words may seem harsh, but you must save some by fear of the fire; as compassion has not done it for you.Unless a miracle from God opens your eyes you will be lit up.I will pray God for you and perhaps his spirit will enlighten you to the truth that sets you free.I know you do not have the Holy Spirit:For if you did, you would of obeyed Christ’s words.Gal3:27 For as many of you that have been baptized in Christ have put him on! You refuse his covering for your own.Therefore you’ll pay the wages of yourself.Which is eternal death.By the cross of Christ and the water of baptism we are saved.Justin Martyr said that.It is true today.Jesus the same always my Pharisee friend!God changes not nor has a shadow of turning.Until you obey Jesus- you’ll go to hell.Don’t disgrace grace by your farce!

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